you know, this is exactly what happened with hurricane katrina in new orleans where it took weeks and weeks and weeks for the aid to get there for the people who needed it. and, you know, my complaint here is, gerri, call me old-fashioned, but what about going back to the old idea where local communities were in charge of their own clean-up from these kinds of natural disasters? i look back at the evidence from what happened after the great chicago fire, what happened after the san francisco earthquake and so on, most of the aid for those -- and, by the way, the cleanup was done very quickly and efficiently, and those cities were rebuilt and rebuilt mostly with private money and private charities and local organizations. gerri: right. >> i don't know, why couldn't we do that today? gerri: i have to tell you, we spent some time looking for the requests for fema aid, they just go up, up, up, up, up. it bears no resemblance to really the disasters going on the world, what's going on concern. >> that's right. gerri: it doesn't matter, it's a way to get federal dollars. but when it comes t